Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs/Candy Apples

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Slide the snack bar. Seasons Greetings, and welcome once again to Cinema Snack Bar. I'm Rob Alley. And I'm Zeke Tucker. And we are here to talk about the movies you love and the foods that made them memorable. Today we're taking our first look at an AFI top 100 film chosen at random. I just generated a bunch of numbers.

This was the first one that came up. It happens to be Disney's Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. Yes. And we are snacking on the hot of a pig. I'm just kidding. Um, home homemade candy apples actually. Um, so we'll take you through the recipe and we'll try them out in the second part of the show. [00:01:00] Zeke, how you doing today, ma'am?

I'm doing great. I am so happy that this is our first dis This is our first. Yes, this is our. Disney official film, and I am just about it. We are massive Disney fans in the Tucker household, and it is a great way to start it out. Yeah, it's, I thought it was pretty actually fortuitous, you know, a lot of the like AFI top 100 films are movies that we have never seen movies that like, I would go, I don't even care to see that.

You know? I'm glad this is the first one that popped up. Yeah. It was like a soft place to land. Yeah. And I, I promise it's totally random. Oh, I was, I wasn't like, oh, there's Disney movies on this list. Let's do that. Totally chosen at random. Um, and so it just, just worked out that it's like one of the greatest animated films of all time.

Yes. And a beloved thing. And we've got, if you're watching on video, By the way, if you don't know, you can watch this on video, on Spotify, on and on YouTube. Um, you can, you can find us there and if you wanna watch on video, you can do that as well. Wait, there's video on Spotify? Yeah, I'm Apple Music all the way.

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So, alright, first things first, let's get into the movie. Let's talk about Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs from 1937. That's crazy. This is Pre Wizard of Oz. Yeah. Which was the first color live action film. Um, and so before that you have, I hadn't thought about it, but that I guess you could have color animated before they had color.

Yeah, I did not think about that. It's a kind of a, kind of a weird thing, but, um, but yeah. So this is 1937. This is when, like, uh, talking movies, were still fairly new at this point, right? You had, and you can really tell it's from that era because everybody has that certain way of speaking. Mm-hmm. Now I can't really impersonate No, but it's like the way that they sing and the way that they speak is so very Mm.

It's like, and there's a certain name for that [00:03:00] accent. I learned that. Like you grow up thinking that's just the way people sort of talked in that time. And that was the American accent. Is it transatlantic? It's a transatlantic accent, yes. But it was, but it was taught, it was learned. They taught like broadcasting professionals and stuff like that to speak that way.

Stage actors. Um, and so, but it's, that's the record that we have of a great many things. Sports broadcast and all that stuff around that time. You have a lot of people talking like the, I can't even do it. Don't know. I can't either. I'm not gonna try, I'm definitely not, gonna not rehearse that and then do it in a microphone.

That's not something I'm gonna do. It's not like a British affectation, it's just, it, I don't know. It's its own thing. And it just sounds like old-timey voice now. Right? But so that's what it was. The trans, yeah. Transatlantic. Um, tra, right? Yeah. Transatlantic. Transatlantic. Okay. Yeah. Uh, alright. Plot summary, uh, of Snow White and A Seven Dwarfs.

Uh, a young woman proves her worth and usefulness to a bunch of men by cooking and doing all the chores that they hadn't bothered to do. In doing so, she enslaves an animal [00:04:00] army exploiting their free labor for her own ends. Um, if you wanna go with the IMDB version, uh, the I MDB version says, exiled into the dangerous forest by her wicked stepmother.

A princess is rescued by seven dwarf miners who make her part of their house. That might be a little more palatable. Yeah. And that would be dwarf minors, people who work in a mine not, I repeat, not minors, not dwarf. However, she was a minor by quite a few years, so, um, so that would've actually been less creepy.

What do we have an indication of her age? 14. She's, she is the youngest Disney princess. She is 14 years old. Whitney and I were talking about this last night. Yeah, she is 14. I know Rob's face is not happy about that. Okay. She is 14 in this, that it is, it is like, like a declaration. Like we're not guessing.

She's 14. It is in the movie. She is 14 years old is what Walt Disney said. So she's the youngest Disney princess. That has ever been [00:05:00] recorded. Okay. Uh, so we were thinking what is the least creepy age that the prince that could be Yeah. To kiss this 14 year old girl. And we said 17 is the cutoff. That's what I, first thing I thought.

17. Absolutely cutoff. So if he is not a 17 year old prince, then I, the whole movie is different for me. And let me just tell you, he's not 17. He does, he looks a good 24. He's, yeah. I'm like, he could be 30. He could be, I mean, he's got the, the, I can't tell you. Yeah. Really struggling with voices so far today.

We'll see how this goes. But he's got that, like, I mean, he, the way he carries himself, the way he's at least 27 in my mind. Oh. So he is nearly double her age is what we are assuming. And you really can't tell because. The animation, there's no lines on the, no one has not even the, until you become a witch, you get zero wrinkles.

That's what, that's the Disney thing. True wrinkles. Equal evil witch. Yeah. Yeah. That's [00:06:00] true. Man. That is, she's 14. That is troublesome. I don't like that at all. Um, how old, how old is your daughter? My daughter is 10. Okay. About to be 11, so four years. And she is, she's able to play this role. I just don't, she's got the complexion.

I don't like it. I do not like it at all. Um, okay. Snow White in the Seven Dwarfs was the first feature-length animated movie to be created using cell animation. Oh, I love it. Uh, and it is also the first full-length Disney film. The first full length animated movie period was called El Apostol. Yep. The Apostle in 19 17, 20 full years before this, uh, by an Argentinian animator named Corino Christiani.

It used stop motion animation and paper cutouts to Oh, I wanna see that. However, However you can, you can't, the master got burned up in a fire. Oh, hate. Uh, but cell animation is different from that in that it, it's done using, uh, transparent animation cells layered over the top of each [00:07:00] other, hand painted.

This is one of my design notes. It's one of my favorite things. Okay, well, let's go ahead and talk about it. It's, it's got these, so you have a, a larger. Pre-painted background set. Yes. That everything kind of happens over. And so instead of having physical sets, like for a live action movie, you just have these pre-painted sets.

Here's the castle set. Yes. And it's, you know, and you do your animation over that. And then you have basically, I have a clear screen over that in which you draw the characters and this, it makes it to, it makes it where you don't have to redraw the entire background with every cell. Yeah. So you have that background, and on top of it, you have that as, as if I understand this correctly, you have the basically glass or clear translucent screen and you draw on that.

So that's what the animators would do. So they don't have to redraw the background every time. Mm-hmm. This was used in a ton of Disney movies. I have the last one, it was u, I think it was last time it was used was 2011 with Winnie the Poo. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. So the last time it was used in [00:08:00] Disney was 2011.

The. My favorite way, I don't think it's cell animation, but my favorite movie, uh, which I know will do because I will press it, uh, or quit the podcast if we don't. Uh, my favorite movie, Lilo and Stitch Mm. Yeah. Was done kind of like this, it wasn't cell animation, but they had static watercolor backgrounds.

Yeah. Which had not been used. Uh, since I think 1940 something with Dumbo, but it was kind of the same thing where you have the entire background and then you draw on basically glass or clear panels on top of it. And that reduces the time that it takes to do the background. Yeah. Right. They're, they introduced as quickly as they could.

They introduced digital elements and stuff like that. Yeah. Um, and I think the last like full length movie that they did that was like a major release was even earlier than that. It was 1992 with Little Mermaid. Right. But that was the last like big, huge Disney movie that was done totally outta cell animation.

The last, and I think Winnie the Poo just had some aspects of it. Okay. Like it wasn't full. They didn't do that. And it might not have been a full [00:09:00] release. I don't know. I'm sorry. I did not research that deeply, but that's what I saw the last full. One was, uh, was Little Mermaid. And the, one of the crazy things I watched a little, you know, kind of behind the scenes from Disney on the process, and it was from like, a long time ago, you know, um, when they were still doing it.

And it's like, it was a much crazier process than even it sounds, you know, it sounds like, okay, you have a clear, you have a background and you put a clear thing and you paint over it, and then you do the next frame and there's 24 frames a second, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Uh, which sounds complicated enough.

Oh man. But it was like, it's, it's, they're using electric charges to imprint the drawings onto the cells. Oh my gosh. I did not know that. They're using Xerox machines and dark rooms for every single Is this 1930s? This is in the 1930s. I mean, it's really a process that I can't fully explain, but it's, it's worth looking up, uh, like on YouTube or whatever.

And you also have, you think, okay, they're, they're animating, you know, not, not the backgrounds, but the characters frame by frame. But even [00:10:00] that, If they've got a shot where like somebody's just talking but their body's not moving, they'll leave the body part and then only animate the head. Oh. For however many frames.

So you'll have a layer that's like just neck down and then a layer that's just the head that they can just animate the head. So it's like it's saved them work, but you have to, the, the thought process behind it is just insane to me. Yes. And they have all kinds of like checkers and helpers at every step of the process.

And there's like a final person who gives the, okay. You know that goes, yes, we've got all the layers that we need and everything like down to every, I mean, if you've got a thing where, you know, if, if let's, you know, if Mickey Mouse points at somebody and wags his finger, you don't need to animate his whole body.

Right. Don't have a layer. That's just his finger. So these were finger, just some fed up animators. They're like, we are going to, you can't keep doing this Walt Disney, we are going to do anything possible. Yeah. That we do not have to keep animating every aspect of this character. Yeah. So who knows how long it would've taken if they had had to literally draw [00:11:00] every, cuz you gotta draw and paint everything that's in, oh man, a cell, 24 cells per second.

So like, that's just insane to think about. Snow White in the Seven Dwarfs is one of the first films to be selected by the Library of Congress for Preservation as part of the National Film Registry. I mean, it makes sense. Yeah, it was one of the first, that's a crazy thing to do. There's a crop of 25, but it is a landmark animated film and just kind of a landmark in film, you know, in general.

Uh, adjusted for inflation. If my research is correct, this is one of mine. This is wild. Why don't you say it? Okay. Ingest, ingested. Ingested for inflation. Adjusted for inflation. Now I can't find where it is. Go ahead. Okay. Adjusted for inflation. It is still the highest grossing animated film of all time.

That's crazy. At least in North America. My research was a little unclear if it was for North America or worldwide, but you're talking frozen, you're talking whatever. Little Mermaid Beauty in the Beast. All, I guess if you're the first feature length film, animated, feature length film, I mean, you have a leg up, but [00:12:00] still that is crazy that still to this day, That's just based on inflation.

It's the most gross. The highest grossing. Yes. And it is also something I had never thought about before, but the title of this movie is Snow White in these seventies Yep. Dwarfs. Mm-hmm. With an F. This is one of my favorite. Yeah. And, uh, I had just never really thought about that before, so I did a little research on Y and I learned that basically the, the term.

Dwarf it's dwarfs if you were talking about actual people with a condition called dwarfism, but Jr r Toan Yeah. Was, he didn't invent the term dwarfs, but he started using the term dwarfs with a v, um, in his like fantasy novels and popularized the usage of that term, uh, for fantasy characters. And so now, kind of from then on, but this is before that, but now it's sort of, if you see dwarves, like fictional creatures that are like small Yeah.

And they're called dwarves. It's with a [00:13:00] V. And if it's people who have the condition called dwarfism, which I don't even, I don't, I don't think you call them. Maybe. I don't know if it's, I don't know what the proper term is. I, it's little people as far as I know. Yeah. But I think if, if there's, you know, the actual condition of dwarfism present, it is at least medically.

Okay. Maybe to use the f I don't know. Um, our producer is checking on this. Yes. Producer Whitney will let us know when she finds, um, So I thought those that had literally never crossed my mind and I would've told you it's Snow White in the Seven Dwarves. Yeah, dwarves. I, I would've said dwarves. Whether I thought about what the movie was called or not.

Absolutely. But I think when I actually like titled my notes, I typed out dwarfs. I would've said dwarves. Yeah, for sure. They have some weird names too. Like there were some odd names that were proposed and I, I wanna read through these. Oh yeah. Cause they are absolutely ridiculous. I don't know. And I'm so happy they went with the ones they went with.

Uh, some of the other titles were awful. One of the Dr one of the Dwarfs would've been named Awful and he would've been a drunkard. Is what is what I read. Oh wow. [00:14:00] Okay. Uh, biggie. Wiggy What? Big o Ego. Oh no. I'm guessing he's gonna be, uh, just have a big old go. Yeah. I was gonna say he got a big old ego. Big O ego.

Ew. Blabby. Ew. Defy, who I'm assuming is deaf. No, that just Walt Disney. Come on. Uh, dirty Gabby. Gaspy. Uh, gloomy. That gloomy could, I could see Gloomy. Gloomy. Could've worked. Hoppy jump. Like, that's one name. Poppy Jumpy is one name. I don't, I don't understand. Jumpy. That's enough of a added, like, that's enough of a personality that you just jump a lot.

Yeah. Like that would've been your whole thing. Hotsy. Jaunty. Nifty and Shifty. Sneezy was a last minute replacement for Defy. Defy was in the last, like, you got down to it and you're like, I don't know. I don't know if we should have sneezy or the deaf guy. Ew. And I just don't, I don't understand why that was one of the finals, but it was, and Walt Disney apparently got [00:15:00] dopey into the finals by convincing like, uh, most of the imaginaries the, uh, animators of that time, they were like, we don't want dopey, that doesn't sound like proper to the time Uhhuh.

He was like, this doesn't, that doesn't make sense. And he lied to them and said, oh, well he used, uh, I think it's dopey. Yeah. Dopey. He was like, oh, well, William Shakespeare uses it in a play. It is found in none of his plays. No, but he convinced all of the animators and the Imagine I, I don't know if they were imagineers by that point, but he convinced all of the animators that it was in there, though.

It's not in there at all. Dang. Just so he could have it in his movie. So much harder to research something to tell if it's true or not at that point. Absolutely. They're like, I guess we'll take your word. It's 1937. What are we gonna do? Search Google. You're the boss. Exactly. Okay. Producer Whitney has the proper term.

The correct term is little person or person of short stature. Okay. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. That's a lot though. Yeah. That, that seems like a lot. Yeah. Like, I guess that's in a, that's uh, medically and, uh, if you're like writing a [00:16:00] paper's, a person of short stature. Yeah. Person of short stature. Okay. There we go.

That's good. Um, let's see. Alright, I'm just gonna roll down a few thoughts on the movie and you chime in with yours Absolutely as we go. My very first thought, like the second the movie started, I went, wow, this was all the way in on the intro right away. Oh yeah. Like, it just, it literally starts out like a Loony Tunes cartoon with a, you know what I mean?

There's no, like, now you have movies that'll ease into an intro, you know what I mean? Yeah. It'll like fade in from a black thing slowly and maybe, you know, uh, Disney animation presents and it's like a little bit, and it'll swell into a thing. This just goes a castle. He wanted his first, he's like, my first full length feature animated film is gonna blow them outta the water from the first second.

He just wanted to go straight for it. It was just everything, which is weird. And then there's a note from Walt Disney at the very beginning, which is kind of cool. It says, my sincere appreciation to the members of my staff whose loyalty and creative endeavor made possible this production. So that's that's fantastic.

I love that. Yeah. Um, The [00:17:00] opening scene with the stepmother is so dark. Like, it's so not like, like emotionally dark. Yes. Like it's just, it's, and some of the, I was thinking some of the scary sequences in this movie are creepier or as creepy anyway than anything you'd see now. Like the It absolutely is. It absolutely is one of the, the ride at, um, I've not ridden the ride at Disneyland.

I have ridden the ride in Disneyland, Paris, uh, I think it's the same as Disneyland. Maybe a few different tweaks. But it is one of the scarier, just static old rides. Like it's one of, it's one of the older rides you just ride through, but it is terrifying because all they're doing is telling the story of, uh, snow White.

So it's just, it's just so scary. Apparently when it first came out, it premiered in Radio City Music Hall and they had to reupholster the seats because it was a kids movie. Okay. It was like, see as a kids movie, Uhhuh. So kids came. Yes. This is the thing I did not tell you. She is, she's like, she's got her hand over her mouth.

Uh, it had to, the seats had to be reupholstered in Radio City Music Hall because so [00:18:00] many kids wet themselves. Is that not incredible? Like they wet themselves to the degree that they had to reupholster most of the seats in the, uh, in the theater. That is absolutely insane. It's every showing. Every showing.

Like they didn't have to reupholster it every showing they had to like with every big showing, they had to reupholster the seats. Oh, my. Yeah, I think they would've learned and just put plastic on the seat. Yeah, just plastic. The seats like, like his, but then you would've just had pee running down the floor.

Then you a mop carpet, reupholster the seat. I mean, it's bad either way. But these kids were wetting themselves because of, uh, the queen. Dang, the quitch, the queen witch, the quitch. Please do not ever use that word again. It's not ween. I'm not gonna use that one. The, the, the twitch. She, uh, she made them wet themselves.

Wow. That is really just something, but I guess it goes to show you. What kids were ingesting [00:19:00] then as far as media versus what, right. This is the scariest thing they'd probably seen. Yeah. And it's huge and loud. Yeah. And, and, uh, like some of the music, some of the music sequences, like, I think I, I read that wall Disney, they were like, Hey, maybe tone it down when she's running through the forest, being attacked by, uh, fake, you know, trees.

Yeah. But he was like, Nope, not gonna do it. Uh, let's just keep it. I mean, it really is frightening that the, the imagery and the sort of disorientation of that scene, you know, it's more intense than I remember. It was a good deal, more intense, because I hadn't seen it in probably like a decade, maybe more.

And I was like, oh, he really came out the gate just going, eh, a little fear will do him good. Yeah. And they. You know, they took some stuff out. Like there's a whole list of differences. I don't know if you looked at any of this up between, I didn't look at that. Between like the movie version and the grim fairy tales.

You know, this is obviously, obviously one of those things that's, and we know everybody knows stuff that's based off Grimm's Fairy tales. You know, there's a lot of stuff. There's, you know, ravens plucking people's eyes out and [00:20:00]stuff, you know, stuff like that. But, um, I did find a cool, a cool, a cool list and I love a good list, um, of differences between the book and the movies.

I'll run down a few of those real quick. The book has a little bit more backstory on, um, snow White's mother. Okay. And it shows that, um, she, I can't, I don't think she, she died in childbirth, but she pricks her finger on a needle and she d and she wishes for a beautiful daughter, and then she dies in childbirth.

Oh, wow. Um, and so, but that's, and so you find out, okay, that's how the stepmother enters the picture to begin with, is a mom died in childbirth. Right. They give no backstory of the father of that. You just assume this man made a bad mistake. Right. Yeah. Married a quitch and now he's still going. Yeah. Um, then the, in the book version, so the, the queen.

Tells the Huntsman to go find snow White snuff her out and bring me back Her heart. Yeah. She gives a box and like put, you know, put her heart in this box that's in the book. And, and that's also in the book. Okay. She, and, uh, but in the book, she. [00:21:00] Her plan is to eat her heart. Oh. So when he comes back, he comes back with the heart and the, or the lungs and the liver of a bore and she eats them both.

I like, I like that. Uh, kind of like that. They kept that out. I, there's like this weird line between actual witchcraft and, and kids like Disney witchcraft and the, you know, the eating a heart. I go, yeah, that's probably edging onto the actual witchcraft. Yeah, that's right. That's into ye Old Magic. Yeah.

With a, with a CK on the end. Yeah. Um, the, the queen tries several different ways in the book. Instead of just the apple to, to kill, she tries three different times to kill her and to read that. When she does get to the, uh, poisoned apple, it's a thing where she's only poisoned half of it. And this is smart.

I feel, I feel like they could have done this. She, so that when Snow White is a little reticent to take the apple, she actually bites it first and she's like, here, see, it's fine. And then she bites her and then hands her the poison half, you know what I mean? I dunno if she like cuts it or Right. But if it's like she, you know, [00:22:00] so that's, it's a, it's a half poisoned apple.

Uh, and I read a thing about like, basically why, why did the queen choose that, um, disguise, right? As somebody who immediately you look at and go, I don't think I trust you. No, I'm not gonna trust an old hag that gives me fruit. Yeah. Why didn't she disguise herself like a handsome prince, you know? Yeah. Or I'm like, right.

Like obviously, you know, so anyway, and then, uh, in the book, apparently she is dead or asleep, whatever, for a year before the prince gets to her. Uh, whereas in the movie, I think it's like three days or something. Like she's, I need a one year nap from time to to time. You know what I mean? Yes. And, uh oh. And in the, in the.

In the book, she doesn't, uh, revive from true love's first kiss. She revives when the prince comes along and basically says, we gotta bury this girl, you guys. And so he's like, he's like picking her up to take her off so that she can have a proper [00:23:00] burial. Um, and the apple dislodges from her throat and she wakes up af when the apple comes out.

It has nothing to do with the kiss of the Prince at all. Well, that's nice. It's dead. I, I mean, how do you animate a girl, you know, throwing up part of an apple, but I mean, you also animated a 14 year old getting a kiss from probably a 27 year old, so I don't know what's worse. Oh, there is a popular fan theory, uh, which I, I understand it, you know, the, the end scene where they're going off to the, I think the, I don't know if they're riding off into the, uh, sunset for the castle, but the castle.

In the clouds. Mm-hmm. And it's got that like heaven esque kind of feeling. Okay. So there's a popular theory from Disney fans that the skeleton scene being mocked by the queen downstairs, she's like, oh, do you want a drink of water? And she kicks the thing out is the prince. So, oh, they have a thing, they have a theory that she wanted the prince.

Okay. So she's a beautiful queen. She's like, I want this prince. He denies her for a 14 year old girl. I mean, might as well kill him, but [00:24:00] he, uh, so there's a fan theory that that is the prince in her dungeon. She's killed him. Okay. Uh, they also believe that Snow White actually died in that final scene of Snow White and Prince like going off into the sunset because that castle is in the clouds.

Yeah. Uh, is them. Uh, finally meeting. Wow. When they die. Weird. Yes. I mean, it's not a great fan. It's not the best fan theory. Like there's some great Disney fan theories, but I go, okay, I could see that. I could see that all the things, uh, came together. And then, I mean, you know, that Queen was willing to kill a 14 year old so she could be prettier than her.

Right? So I assume that, I assume that she wouldn't have no qualms killing, uh, a Lovestruck prince man. So when does that occur in the movie? Like, because we see the Prince alive. Does it occur after that? It, it occurs after. So you see, you see the Prince, uh, at the very beginning. Yeah. And then not again until, until, until he's kissing a minor.

Yeah. So you see, you see him. I really love this movie. I'm gonna assume he's [00:25:00] 17. He's just an older looking 17 year old, so, uh, so he is, you only see him at the beginning and the very end. Okay. That's the only time you see him. So, And the last time you see him is at the castle with the queen. Yeah, right. Uh, right before she tries to kill the little girl, so she's trying to kill Snow White.

So she is on a death rampage. And then you see right before she's trying, right before she does the right after, sorry. She does the poison apple. You see the skeleton like reaching for a drink of water, but don't. Okay. But then you see the Prince alive after. Later in the movie. Yeah. Okay. They just assumed the, the, the thing is, okay, this is, this is her like being taken up.

She's dreaming that this happened essentially, that the wake up of the prince. Right. And she wakes up, she's dead. Right. And she's like, oh, but they're both dead. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm falling. I was having, okay. What do you think, Whitney? You're like, I just don't like it. Okay. She doesn't, Whitney likes to keep with it.

Like she likes to keep with the original. Yeah. I don't think it was that layered in 1937. I don't think they [00:26:00] were like, you know, that's a twist that not only audiences would not have gotten at that point, but I don't think writers and right directors and producers were thinking that way yet. The only, only, the only reason is design wise when they're going to the castle in the end.

Looks a little bit different. And it's literally in the clouds. It's got that, that again, that heaven esque feel, where it's like peachy orange clouds and it's surrounding the castle, but it's just trying to represent how good it is now. Right. It's great. It's a happily ever ever. She can be with her 27 year old.

Uh, that's right. Father figure. Ew. She's not, she's like, now I have a boyfriend and a dad. That's it. I can be your father. I can be your father figure. George Michael. Yeah. Thank you. Gross. Well, I was gonna say it from New Girl. That's the only reason I knew what the song was when Winston is on a Date. I think that might be one of the only reasons I know it other than listening to, uh, B 97 PO five with my mom in Knoxville when we were, when we were, she was like, oh, I love it.

Soft Rock. Soft Rock. Ours was Light Mix [00:27:00] 1 0 5 here. Oh, that's nice. It's now Hard Rock 1 0 5, but Okay. Uh, you know. Okay. Uh, let's see. Uh, okay. I, I really want to know as a culture where we got to mirror, mirror, From Magic Mirror. Yeah. Because mirror, mirror never happens in this movie. Every time she speaks to the mirror, she says, magic mirror.

Oh man. Not one time does she say, I think I still just imagined it was Mirror. Mirror. That's, and somehow that's where we've gotten e even to the point where like, later on, so you know, they've made book versions of the, like Disney book versions of this, you know, story, story. Does it say Mirror? Mirror? And originally, like in the first version in the forties that they made, it said Magic Mirror.

But by the seventies they had switched merchandise and books to say Mirror. Mirror. All right. It's one of those like, um, Mandela effect things I think where people, people thought think it's mirror, mirror but it's not. And um, so I thought maybe, you know, maybe she consults the mirror several times in the movie.

And one time she says [00:28:00] Mirror, mirror. And that's the one that stuck. But never she, every time it's magic mirror. So, I don't know. I wonder if there's like a bad connotation with magic. This is one of those moments. It can't be, I mean, Disney is built on the fact that they, it's a magic place, most magical place on earth.

But I I, I don't know why that would've been one. You changed. I'm going to consult my talking mirror. Do what it says, but not imply that it's magical. Yes, exactly. I'm gonna follow its advice, this weird demonn in my, uh, in my glass reflection. I'm gonna try to figure it out. Yeah. Uh, let's see. Um, I do love, we talked about this, the, the sound of their voices, but just the audio from that time is so different too.

Yeah. Everything is so warm and it's like a little overloaded, if that makes sense. It's, it's like clips a little bit, but it, it just has that warm, nostalgic. Feeling. Yeah. When, uh, you watch this, you watch this and it just does all the things that you want it to do, you go, maybe it's not the greatest film I've ever seen, but it's, it's one of those things where you watch it and it [00:29:00] immediately puts you in that kind of mode.

Yeah. And that mood, like you could put it on a background and just let it fly. And I don't know, it's one of those clean my house movies for me where I'm like, I wanna feel really good. I wanna feel like I'm a man in the forties. That is, that's what this would do for me. You wouldn't have been cleaning your house.

You're right. You're right. Uh, but I, you know, I enjoy some chore. I, I thought it was pretty interesting watching it as an adult. Um, some of the stuff we talking about, some of the scary stuff they showed, you know, and, but I thought it was interesting some of the stuff that they didn't show on screen. So like the pig's heart, I thought about that.

Yeah. We don't see right. And, um, snow White actually biting the apple. We don't see, we see her bring it to her mouth and then it cuts to the, the twitch. And so the whole thing of whatever happens to her after she bites the apple, the next thing you see is just her hand as she passes out. The soft little hand is yeah, SL rolling the apple slow.

Um, but you don't see, I did think that was odd. I guess they don't want to see. Death was probably maybe a little too, and [00:30:00] death is implied with her eating that apple. Yeah, I guess it was a little too intense for a kid's movie because when, when the Twitch was uh, spoiler alert when the Twitch was dying.

Yeah. I just went, is this her death? Like I was looking at Whitney, I was like, I don't remember this. And it's because there's this thing when I look back at movies or shows I watched when I was a kid and I was like, oh, that person dies. And I just didn't even fathom it Blocked out. That might have been, that might have been the thing, but I just thought I, I don't know.

I feel like everything is right in your face now. So it takes me off guard when they don't show an important part like that. Yeah. Cuz they also didn't show the queen getting crushed by a boulder. That's a little more understandable because that would've been just too gross, you know, to see. But I don't really understand why they didn't show Snow White, like passing out.

I can maybe see them not showing the heart I get that could be a little gross, even though it's an animal's heart, you know? Um, but cuz they would've had to made it look like a real one they couldn't have. Yeah. That's, they're going for kind of a level of realism, even though it's about dwarves and magic mirrors.

Right. There's some realism. Visually they're going for kind of realism, so they couldn't have [00:31:00] done like a, you know, the heart, you just draw typical heart. Little icon. Yeah. Um, yeah. I couldn't have done that. Uh, okay. I have a question. Are the dwarves instruments carved from wood to look like animals? Or are they made from petrified animals?

This was, do you think that's like, the witch has done this and she's like, you're gonna play animals for the rest of your life? She hates those dwarves. I thought they were just carved. There's gotta, I don't know who the woodworker is. Yeah. Out of the dwarfs. But I, I saw one of the things like every step, every stair step in their house is an owl's face.

Whoa. Yes. Every step is like, so, so I don't know, like if the, if the animators were like, we're really gonna show out. We only to draw this once it's in the background, so let's go all out on it. But I saw that every, like, every instrument was some kind of bird. Yeah. You know, like, uh, I was like, look, it's a duck or a fish or something.

Whitney was like, that's a, that's a guitar of some kind. I was like, no. I mean, it looks like a duck. Yeah. Has, I was like, it's a duck. I, I [00:32:00] hope it's not petrified animals. Uh, surely It's like, surely it's just there's a woodworker amongst them. Yeah, I think so. One of them, who is it? Do you think it's grumpy?

And he's so mad that they made him do all the work. Right. He's like, I built this whole freaking house and I just get to eat with you all idiot dwarfs. Yep. He's like, I used to be. And then one of the other names that got rejected, right? I was, they used to call me, whatever, you know. Uh, but now they used to just call me Duffy, but now I'm Defy Duffy.

Yeah. Um, okay. Let's see. Favorite quotes. I just have one. It's not that surprisingly, is not the most quotable movie, super quotable, other than I only have two quotes other than Magic Mirror on the Wall. Right. Which we get wrong, which is one of my two quotes. Yeah. But my favorite quote actually did come from Grumpy.

He said, me too. I hope we got the same one. She's a female. Got it. That's it. And all females is cursed. They're full of wicked wiles. And then one of the other, it's, who's it? One of the other divorce, I don't remember which one it was. What are Wicked Wiles? And he goes, I don't know, but I'm a Guin 'em. I'm a Guin.

I'm a Guin. He just [00:33:00] sounds like an old, uh, what is it called? You like a prospector, like an er. It's a prospector. Thank you. Yeah. I'm gonna find that gold if it's the last thing I ever do. Exactly. She's a female and all females is poison. They're full of wicked wiles. That's the only other one I wrote down.

Oh, he says poison. Oh, well that's what it says. That's what it said on i m db. Okay. I thought I was just pulling it from the movie and I thought he said, cursed. Could be it. I, I really don't know. I, we watched it and I was like, that's hilarious. And then I just copy and paste it from imdb because I was like, that is absolutely hilarious.

It could easily be one of those things where he says, cursed with an accent like coist. You know what I mean? All females is coist and like there's an oy that's like, right. That's what I, that it is actually poisoning and I heard cursed with an accent, which I tend to do sometimes. Like I tend to misinterpret things that way.

Right. I don't know. We'll have to, we'll have to go back you guys, if you're planning on watching the movie, uh, with our, with our commentary in mind this week, please tell me if it's cursed or poison, curse or poison. Either way. Full of wicked wiles. Just overflowing with wicked wildes. I have two, I have [00:34:00] two, uh, facts that just blew my mind about this.

Okay. Snow White never, ever interacts with the prince until the kiss. She, uh, and even after the kiss, she has never, in the whole movie, she does not talk to him. She doesn't say a single word to the Prince cuz he introduces himself with a boisterous song at the beginning. Yeah. And she runs away. Yeah. Okay.

She is completely gone. They kiss and then she's like, yay. And she gets on, runs away directly after wishing for him. Yeah. Which is just, I understand it. Whitney found, Whitney found that hilarious. So yes, there is not a single interaction outside of him singing at her and then kissing her. So that is the full interaction before, uh, with them, before they run off into the sunset together.

So we don't really even know if she likes the guy. We don't. But apparently it was true love. That's all it took. She's grateful. That's true. I guess it is. Love's kiss. I don't know that. I mean, I would be kind of, I'd be a little in love if someone saved my [00:35:00] life. Yeah. For at least a, what is it? Uh, not Florence Nightingale syndrome.

What's it called? Florence Nightingale's. The mother from the Brady Bunch, right? Yeah. I don't check it for us. Or is it Florence Henderson? Yes. Okay. Who is Florence Nightingale? Like a old. I don't know. I'm going, I'm searching it. It doesn't, it really doesn't matter. Stockholm syndrome. Stockholm. No.

Stockholm. No. That's it. But there's a thing where like the least one Stockholm Syndrome is where people hate you and you love them. The Nightingale syndrome isn't, not Florence Nightingale. I think I'm right about this. She was a social, social reformer, status statistician where you get take a, you've fallen in love with a care.

She's the founder of modern Nursing, so that makes sense. Yes. She was a nurse. Yes. Okay. It's Florence Nightingale. Oh, I was right the whole time. Time. Good job. Good job over here. Florence Henderson Gaslighted, myself. Yes. When a, when a caregiver falls in love with their patient. Oh, okay. The, that's the opposite.

Kinda the opposite, so it's okay. Okay. But you, you were going in the right direction. Inverted ni uh, Nightingale syndrome. Okay. Alright, fine. Uh, okay. Producer Whitney, you said you [00:36:00] wanted to talk about the forest scene. Tell us your, your thoughts. I just felt it so deeply because like, if you've heard the term catastrophes, have you ever heard the term, which I, I told her that's not a word.

Its a real, it's a word and a term. Okay. So like, if you are trying to think of something in the future, you just make it. You snowball into this horrible thing it could be. Sure. Yeah. That is what, that is what that scene is in the forest. Everything looks you about her running through the forest. Yes. Where everything looks like something terrifying.

Yeah, I felt it. And really it's just trees. She wakes up and it's all fluffy animals. And again, I felt that too. I love it. The one of the, okay, I think this is the last thing that I have is like the facts about the movie. Yeah. But it feels weird. Okay. So it's a great movie. It's fantastic. It is one of Adolf Hitler's favorite three films.

I mean, it's one of, you can't hold it against him. No, you can hold it against him. You can't hold it against the movie. I, I mean, what's not to love. Why wouldn't he love Snow White's? German's sitting in Germany. It's set in [00:37:00]Germany. She is pale. Uh, she's there. I'm talking about like she's quite Arian. She's German.

Yeah, she's very, she's Arian. Yes. There's a lot of Arian people in this. He probably loved the death. Um, so not great, but I just go, uh, it's one of his three favorites along with King Kong and Sun Valley Serenade. I don't know what that is. I don't either, but I know what King Kong is and I'm just like, that seems like an odd choice for Adolf Hitler.

Yeah. He's like, I'm gonna be that monster. That's, that's, this is what this, and King Kong is what made him, so, I don't know. That is, that's terrible. It may be not like, I can't hold it against the movie. Some bad people, some terribly, terribly bad people, and he's the worst of 'em. Uh, they're gonna like the movies you like, if, if, you know, there's, there's all sorts of like, alternate reality movies, uh, or uh, shows, TV shows and stuff where like, what if Hitler had lived Right.

Uh, what if Hitler had survived somehow the war, he was in a bunker, blah, blah, blah. Right. And it wasn't really Hitler that died. If Hitler was still alive right now, what [00:38:00] would his three favorite movies be? Oh, no. Oh, Wendy's just covering her mouth. Let's assume Snow White is still one of them. Yeah, let's just keep it there.

So we only have to make two. Maybe the new King Kong movies. I'm right. Yeah. Kong versus Godzilla. He's like, they just took it to another place. Right. He's like, this is the craziest thing I've seen I've ever seen. And I wanna think that he'd have like a little, uh, a little like Funny Bone. Yeah. Joe, Joe Rabbit.

I was thinking Hot Tub Time Machine. I don't know why. I don't know why. But Hot Tub. I'm thinking Jojo Rabbit. Is it Jojo? Jojo. Rabbit. Rabbit. That's which, which I'm seen. And I have, I have to see. They make fun of him, you know, for a fact. It's definitely not Schindler's List. Oh no it's not. Wow. It's not, and it's not in glorious bastards either.

Right. I apologize. I guess. I mean, it's entire of a movie. I have to say it, but yeah. Uh, yeah, I guess it's not that either. Yeah. But you're saying he would like, maybe have something that's about himself, so it's vanity and comedy at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. But it's not, I think he'd like it. Okay. [00:39:00] Alright. I can, okay.

I can see that. We'll never know. Right. So didn't, and didn't, uh, isn't um, oh no. Ty Taiko. Yeah. Isn't he, isn't he Jewish? I have no idea. I thought he was, please check out Mr. Whitney. There was like, his whole point of that movie is that it was a slap in the face. Yeah. Is that, which makes sense. Hitler was played by someone who is obviously of color.

Uh, and I thought he was Jewish. Uh, if not, I made that up because it was more redeeming. It made it for the, for the movie. But he like, he was like, I just thought it was awesome. But Hitler was played by, uh, he played it, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. And, and he wrote, did he write that movie? I think he wrote it, yeah. I should have researched it.

Didn't. He wrote, directed and starred. His mother's family were Russian Jews. Okay. Virus. He's just a slap in the face. I have got to see that movie. Yeah, definitely need to cover that one for sure. He sat, he describes himself as a Polynesian Jew. There you go, man. He's just like, come on, slap, slap him in the face.

Oh, that's awesome. Alright, I think it's time to get into the recast. I'm so excited. Slide up.[00:40:00]

I, I am so confident in this recast. Uh, I don't, I I I feel like you and I are gonna have some of the same Really? I really think we're gonna have some of the same. I don't. You don't? You don't think so? I don't, no. Okay. So first off, I was texting Rob about this and I was like, are we recasting? Like the first one?

Not surely we're not re casting the dwarfs. And he was like, oh, absolutely. Of single one of them. So I had to, now mine is a easier thing for that, but I, I recast all the dwarfs and Did you say one direction? Just like one direction? They're all, yeah. Just like all the one, yeah. One direction of bts with a few leftover guys.

I, I have one I want, do you wanna? Okay. How do you wanna do it is bouncing back and forth. First of all, I didn't realize you prob, y'all probably know this cuz y'all are knee deep in Disney, but like, um, I didn't realize that they're making, they're working on a live action. Snow White. No, I did not know that.

I know there, there's several other one like Snow White and the Huntsman Yeah. And things which I enjoyed. You know, it's not, it's like to me it's one of the best things, Kristen. [00:41:00] Help me, Stewart. Kristen Stewart did, because, you know, she has that face that makes me wanna die. Uh, but she, it's one of our best things for me cuz I'm like, ah, it's fine.

It fits. But you put Charli Theron in anything. Yeah. And I will watch it. Yes. She was a great, a great queen. Yeah, she was a, that's, that was one of my hardest things is cause when I was recast I was like, oh, Charli Theron. I was like, you can't do that. You can't recast with another movie. So I, I did a different queen, but yeah.

So the, the, it's coming out in 2024, like it's in production. Oh, I did not know that. It's gal Gado. Oh. As the Queen. Oh my word. Yes. And, and Rachel Ziegler as, uh, I dunno who it is. I don't, I don't know her. Z E G L E R. Rachel Ziegler, uh, as snow white. Um, so, but, so our recast rules, the rules that we laid down for this one are, we are re casting it as though it is a fresh.

Animated version in the spirit of the original, it's not, you know, whatever. Right. That's, is that, that's the direction you went, right? That's the way I, I went. Yes. As is it. Okay, so this is Cartoon. Cartoon, yeah. These are basically voice [00:42:00] actors and obviously Yes, exactly. The roles that we're casting are going to be the voices of the new animated Snow White and Seven Torch.

Sir, I was researching Rachel Zucker who made her debut in West Side. Okay. The recent West Side story. Yeah, I do, I do not know her. Um, but, uh, I'm sure it'll be absolutely fantastic. Uh, okay, so I kind of have a, a few notes on the original cast as we're going through. So why don't we just kind of go one character at a time.

Yeah, let's do it. And we'll, we'll start. So we'll gonna start with Snow White. The original actress was named Adriana or Adriana Calo. Um, this movie kind of both made her career and also severely hampered her career. I saw this, which was interesting. I saw this, uh, Walt Disney was very protective of her voice after she appeared in the movie, and she was kind of, I don't know if her scale at the time made her underpaid or just that it sounds minuscule now, right?

But she, you know, wasn't paid a lot for the movie. Um, but it also kept her from working because nobody would touch her because Disney was so protective. He wanted that to be the voice of Snow White and nothing else. Like, like what an alpha move. I love Walt Disney. Like [00:43:00] he's my, if you could, uh, eat dinner with any person, dead or alive, he's my pick.

Uh, but I just go, what an alpha. Terrible move to be like, now I, I own your voice now, so you cannot work in this industry. Yeah. Which is basically what he did. But also, I'm not gonna keep paying you for that voice. Right. Like if he, if he pay, it's like, okay, well pay my, pay my annual salary, then I won't work they for the rest of my life.

That's right. That's good. But he was like, no, I just own this. I own your voice. Yeah. So you can't sing anymore. Yeah, exactly. So, and she's actually uncredited in the movie itself, which is crazy. Which is, I guess a lot of the voice actors were uncredited time. I don't know if that was just kind of how it worked at the time or whatever, but, um, uh, and she's uncredited in the few other roles that she did play.

She was a voice actress in The Wizard of Oz. That's a poor girl. Um, and she had about five other film appearances other than this. But that was, that was it basically uncredited. She had a hard time getting voice work because she was kind of untouchable as Disney's girl, you know? Oh goodness. So, alright, [00:44:00] so for the recast, um, I went with, I, I, this just kind of dawned on me.

I would not have gotten there, I don't think, on my own. I thought we were gonna recast this. The, the only one I think did you recast the magic mirror. I did, I in my brain, I have it, but I don't, I don't have the name, I think. Oh, you don't have the, I don't know the person's name. Oh, okay. Nevermind. Okay. We might not have recast any of the same.

I thought I was like, we're gonna recast all of these. The exact same. Okay. Who's your Snow White. Okay. My Snow White is Melissa Rouch. She is Bernadette from the Big Bang Theory. She's the, the, the blonde girl in the Big Bang Theory. Um, not like the lead, but the other, like the, like the dorky blonde girl in the Big Bang Theory.

I'm, I'm looking it up. Cause I don't watch that. And she has a, uh, she has I think, the perfect voice to do that older style. Like she's got as close her, her voice and it's, she's putting it on a little bit in Big Bang Theory. It's not her natural voice, but, oh yeah. That's great. But the way she talks in is she sing Big Bang Theory.

I'm assuming she sings. Okay. [00:45:00] I'm making the assumption that she sings. Okay. If she doesn't, I have Camilla Kabe as a backup for real. Okay. Yes. That would be my, that would be my backup story. Why would she, why would Camilla Kabe be your, I don't know. She's gotten like, I feel like she do the Voice and she sings and she kind of looks to me like a Snow white.

Okay. You know, a little bit. So she, she was my backup. But Melissa Rouch from, from Big Bank Theory is my, Okay, well this is, so in all of, in all of our other Recasts so far, I have tried to mean, like I, I'm a big fan of people of color of all. Like I love, I love a Little Spice. Yeah. This is the whitest cast I could have ever done.

Okay. Okay. Um, my Snow White is, which I just thought for sure Rob's gonna do this too cuz it's perfect. Kristen Chynoweth know why. Okay. Because she's got that. Okay. High, terrible voice. Yeah. Uh, and she, and she can play. I feel like if I heard her voice, I go, that could be a 14 year old, she would be 14 in Germany in 19 four, in 1937.

So Kristen Chynoweth [00:46:00] just made, that made sense to me. Okay. I can see that sense to me. I can definitely see that. Yeah. I had one opinion. I, well I only recast her cuz I was like, I'm not gonna throw those people. But I thought Amy, Adam can't be bothered because Adam, she sounds like. She could do it. She's fantastic.

Yes. You get another princess you're gonna do, you're gonna do okay. Yeah. Okay. Uh, as the queen slash evil stepmother, the original is Lucille Laverne, who had more than 3000 performances on Broadway and touring stages across the world. Uh, snow White was actually her final movie appearance. Oh, wow. She had been appearing in, in pictures since 1915.

And so you, I, I started to think about her more toward the end. Truly, the old lady voice is probably closer to where she, like, that was, it was closer to where she really was at that time. Like she was an older actress. They, I, I read that she wasn't giving them the proper voice. Okay. And she had to go, like, they were like, what are we gonna do about, you're not scary enough?

And she had to go [00:47:00] out and, uh, she just had to get in character. She said. Okay. So she was just like, I just had to like, let loose and get real, uh, over grasping. Okay. Gra grasping. Gravelly. Gravelly. And raspy Grassy is one of the, I think that's one of the tours. Uh, grassy. You do not want to be near grassy.

Yeah. No troublemaker. Uh, okay. Who did you recast? The Queen House. Helen Miran. Solid. Yeah. I'm, I'm very proud of this whole cast. Mm-hmm. That's real whole cast. I'm tried to emphasize that cause it was terrible. Uh, this whole cast, I'm very proud of Helen Miran being this, cuz Helen Miran, she's, she is pretty, you know, she'd be like, who is the prettiest person?

And she's gonna kill Kristen Chynoweth for sure. She'll kill her to make sure she's on top. And she, I feel like she has it in her to give the strong alto voice. Okay. She could do it if she needs to. Yeah. And, uh, she could be a witch. Okay. That's amazing. Uh, I went with, uh, Renee [00:48:00] Elise Goldsberry. You know her?

Oh my gosh. She plays, I know no one, she's in, uh, Hamilton. She plays Angelica Skylar in Hamilton. She's in, um, what's the show on Peacock, uh, girls? Five. Yeah. She's like the main girl in Hamilton. Like, she's close. She's up there. She's not, she's not the wife. Right. But she's the sister. Yeah. She's the most powerful sister.

What? And she has, yeah. And so she has. She has the like, powerful, elegant, whatever. And then I feel like she could get into the nasty part of the queen. Yeah. That's fantastic. All right, uh, let's see. Let's get into some seven dwarfs. Uh, okay, let's, did you recast the prince or the magic mirror? You wanna do dwarfs first?

Yeah, I got, no, let's go ahead. Okay. No, no. Do dwarfs do dwarfs? I just wanted to make sure we were gonna go back to that. Okay. Yes. I didn't do the Huntsman. Um, me either. Okay. Alright. Unimportant. Yeah. Just a dude, just a guy. He's a dude for like three minutes. He's in this movie and I was like, you're not worth it.

No. Um, okay, so I, I started with Doc, these are in totally random order. I started with Doc. Uh, the original actor's name is Roy Atwell. [00:49:00] Um, I recast him. Initially I thought Kelsey Grammar. Just to associate him with like smartness, blah, blah, blah. But I backed off a little bit, um, because he's, his voice has got, it is a little too husky, you know what I mean?

He's got that, like, he's got a deep whatever voice, and I'm like, that's not really fully Doc. So I went with a guy named Peterik McKenzie, who is, I have to look up every single one of these. I'm sorry. Peterik McKenzie. Keep going. He's in, uh, my favorite movie that he's in is Major League three back to the minors.

He actually plays a character named doc, nickname Doc. Okay. In the movie, he just, he's one of those guys that you get when you want a guy who is, uh, you know, who, who you need to play a psychiatrist or a, um, a guy who's very intelligent but not like super dorky. He owns it. He owns these intelligence. Um, even based on the photo.

I don't know this man. Okay. Okay. Sorry to this man. Sorry. Sorry to Peterik McKenzie, sorry to this man. I do not know you. He's got tons of roles where like he's sort of the smart guy that you Okay. You know, that you bring in. So I think he would be great for him. I, I love him. Uh, alright. You keep going for Doc, you [00:50:00] keep going.

I have one person. Oh, okay. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Got all right. For Dopey, dopey was originally a guy named Eddie Collins. I recast him as Timothy Chae. Oh, that's great. Just because I kind of wanted to see it. Dopey doesn't talk. There's talking. Yeah, there's no talking. But I could just see Timothy Charay with like a shaved head and that weird hat and I could just kind of picture it.

I don't know why not. Um, grumpy was originally played by Katz, quote, Pinto Colvig. Yes. Who also voiced Sleepy and who was also the original voice of Goofy Pluto. Pluto from Popeye. And he was the original Bozo the clown. There was a character named Bludo in Popeye from Popeye. He's the big ba the big bad guy with the beard.

That's always after Popeye. He's, he's Popeye's enemy. And so yeah, Bludo and Bludo. Pluto Bludo Goofy. And he was the original Bozo the clown. Y'all know Bozo, right? Yeah. Okay. Um, we know Bozo. Um, I'm shocked to the people who don't know Bozo the clown. Yeah. We're not that, we're not [00:51:00] that, uh, spry. You had to have, you had to have W G N growing up, right.

You had to be able to watch. But Bozo's Grand Prize game is one of the like all time top tier games. In my book it's Plinko and Bozo's Grand Prize game where they had the bucket and you just, there was like six buckets and you tossed a ball into a fucking, but you're talking like at an arcade. There are versions of it at an arcade, but on the Bozo Show, they would play bozo's Grand prize game.

Okay. I know Bozo, but I've never seen the show. Oh yeah. Oh, okay. No, I just know of Bozo the clown. Like that's the most popular clown. I mean Ronald McDonald, but you know, other than that respect, put some respect on Ronald McDonald's. Right. First of all. But yeah, so they would, they, they would have kids play this grand prize game and it was just, it was so simple.

It was a ping pong ball and six buckets and depending on how far you could, the farthest bucket de determined your prize. You know what I mean? Oh, okay. It's so simple, but it's such a great game. It's so much fun. Anyway, super hard. Um, so I. Oh yeah. Okay. Until I found out that, uh, Pinto Kovi voiced multiple characters.

I was gonna go for a guy, [00:52:00] um, for Grumpy, who has, uh, I felt like he's lived through and kind of come out on the other side of both a life of Grum and in aversion to hand washing. Uh, I was going with Zeke Tucker. I was gonna put you in the grumpy role. Oh, that's awesome. But to honor the, to honor the original, I'm going cast sleepy and grumpy, one guy, and I'm going with Hanka.

You know, Hanka, you know him when you see him. He was in Mystery Men. He does a million voices on The Simpsons, including, like, he loves mystery men. And he, honestly, he could do all seven. He could be, you know, he's, yeah, Hank Kasia, I know that guy. He's great. He could do all seven, all kinds of Simpson's voices, right?

Yeah. Tons and tons and tons and more and more as the years went on. Sneezy was originally a guy named Billy Gilbert. I've recast him as Jim Cummings, who is one of my favorite voice actors of all times. Yes. He now he is the voice of Winnie the Poo. Yeah. Tigger. And Tigger. That's right. And, and so you go.

The more Disney stuff you watch, you learn his voice like he's in [00:53:00] cus thing. Um, my favorite voice of his all time was Dark Wing Duck. Oh yeah. When I love Absolutely Dark Wing Duck when it came out. And that was Jim Cummings. And so I thought, I want, I want to hear him sneeze. Right? Like I can hear his voice.

He's got kind of a, I hear the actor who played. Okay. So who played Sneezy to begin with? Uh, Billy Gilbert. Okay. Billy Gilbert found out there was going to be a dwarf named Sneezy and Cald Walt Disney and said, give me this job. Really? Yes. And he got it. He's like, you gotta hear me sneeze, bro. Yeah. Yeah. He was like, I think he had like a gag where he would do stuff like that and he was like, this is perfect.

Like it's, there's no reason I shouldn't have this. And that's how we got Sneezy first. That's funny. Yeah. Happy was originally played by Otis Harlan. I love happy my favorite d. Okay. Uh, my, I don't think I have a favorite dwarf. You have a favorite dwarf? I guess not. I don't know. Maybe the, the, the worldwide consensus is that grumpy is the favorite.

Dwarf. Dwarf, okay. And then dopey right after that because, you know, everyone loves an angry person. Con uh, comedically a comedically angry person. Everyone loves it. And then [00:54:00] everyone loves the stupid guy. And Grumpy. Grumpy is the only dwarf with like a character arc, right? Like he's, you know, he gets the kiss, he gets a little bit of bashful later on he gets, uh, yeah, he, you know, kind of turns around, uh, and stops being like sour on snow white, so, right.

He has a character arc. Um, happy was originally played by Otis Harlan. I recast him as Phil Lamar. Um, he's done to look him up. Tons of voices, but he's been in stuff. And so he was in the original cast of Mad tv. Um, I don't know if that Okay. I might know that. I really might know that. Um, he has played like, uh, green Lantern, the, the John Stewart version of Green Lantern.

Um, I just think he would be great as, as I do not know him. I don't, I don't know his face. Okay. I did love some mad tv. Okay. I don't think I was allowed to watch it, but that was one of those shows I snuck and watched. Yeah. When my parents were asleep. You know, when you're, when you're older and you're like, oh, I can look this up on YouTube now.

Yeah. Yes, exactly. Uh, okay. Bashful was a guy named Scotty Matre. M a t t r a w. Um, I recast him, it's, first of all, I need to say it is an absolute shame that Tim Conway died in 2019. [00:55:00] Mm-hmm. Because he is the perfect bashful. Right. Um, in the modern age, but so had to recast him cuz he's dead. So, but I went with Bill Murray, I thought, oh yeah, bill Murray.

That's would be a really solid fashion. Oh, that's fantastic. That's kind of his whole shtick is, is that, you know, I, I would put Bill Murray on almost any of these. I think, I don't know if he could do, uh, Grumpy too. Well, but al almost all the others, I go, yeah, bill Murray's awesome. Just thinking for, since I didn't do it, but now I'm thinking of it.

I feel like Seth McFarland could do good on all of them. He could do several of them. He does so many. Yes. Yeah. That's good voice actors. Dude, I love, I would love to get into that world. I would love to do some voice acting. It just sounds like so much your fir your first one, they're gonna be like, okay, uh, break out a transatlantic accent.

They're gonna go, well, okay, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna put on my, uh, bowler hat and leave, you know, just, all right. Um, and I think that's all seven dwarfs, right? I have. So which one did you do? I have, uh, I, I'm saying I did all the dwarfs. It is one voice, one person. Oh, and you've [00:56:00] already mentioned him.

Oh, it is Jim Cum. Okay. 100%. Jim Cummings would do, uh, would do all of those. Uh, just because he is exceptional. Exceptional. Uh, he is one of the like most well-noted Yeah. Voice actors. He has so much on his bike and the fact that he, he can do a wide range of things. I was like, just hire one guy, your brother, Jim Cummings.

Because I was thinking, I was like, who are some of these voice sectors I could go with? Jim Cummings is like, he's the, he's the one for all of the dwarfs for me. I think you're probably like in real life, you're probably Exactly. I was like, just kind, just hire one guy. There's not the most speaking roles for all of these.

One. Go ahead. Doesn't talk. One guy just mostly sneezes. Yes. Right. Like it's not, there's not that much of a low. Right. It's like you mostly have, you mostly have doc and grumpy, and if you can get those down, the rest you can make noises. Right. And Doc, you just do your normal voice. Exactly. Grumpy. You, you can do grumpy.

Yeah, that's fine. Especially Jim Cummings could do grumpy. Exactly. No problem. Exactly. So he, he is definitely all of the dwarfs from me. That's really funny. That's great. Okay. Uh, let's see, who else do we have? The [00:57:00] prince. The prince. Who you got for the prince? Okay. Now Whitney mentioned the prince. My voice actor for the prince.

Oh, Seth McFarland. Okay. Because. Sing he can do, he's a crooner. Yeah. And he can do, he can do like a classic. I'm, I know he's gotta be able to do that accent. I guarantee Transatlantic Trans-Atlantic. I'm sure he can do that accent. So, uh, yes. Uh, Seth McFarland, I feel so confident that he could be the, the voice actor Prince.

He could easily be very princely. I can hear that. I mean, that's, that's, and he has, that, has that first like belting note where the Prince gets to sing and I'm like, yeah, that's, as soon as he started singing, I was like, that's gonna be Seth McFarland for me. That's awesome. Okay. Well, I went with a, I went with a, my guy's a little younger than yours.

Um, but I, but still well established as both an actor and a singer. I went with Zach Efron from Prince. Oh, okay. Yes. That's good. That's good. I just, I forgot, I I did recast Wand Dwarf just now as we were talking. Okay. Uh, and it was, um, is John Reese Davies? Okay. Okay. So Gimley. Gimley as grumpy. Yes. As grumpy.

Sure. Like if you, [00:58:00] if you did all of the other actors as Jim Cummings, but then John Reese Davies, uh, as it's Reese, right? Yeah. Right. Okay. Uh, John Reese, I've just never said his name out loud. Uh, then him as grumpy. I think you had got a full, you got a full cast. You give me yard name. Horse master. Nice.

I'll give you own. Yeah. Perfect. Not perfect. I wish, I wish that his, do you know that he was the voice of tree beard in the Lord of the Rings? No. And they literally, they ran his voice through a series of wooden tunnels that they made. Oh my gosh. Like tree, to make it sound wooden like, okay. I cannot wait until we cover Lord the Rings because I, the fandom goes so, so deep.

Yeah. I may read all the books. Uh, yeah, he would be fantastic as grumpy. He would, he's great. Okay. Um, I have, and then the Magic Mirror. Oh, and then the Magic Mirror. Okay. Who do you have? Okay. I think mine first, cuz mine's stupid. Please go. And yours is probably real. Okay. Okay. Mine, I just thought, I don't know the guy's name and y'all might be a little too young for this.

Did y'all watch [00:59:00] power? No. Okay. I wasn't allowed to mine. I was just like, you know what? Let's, you weren't allowed to watch Power Rangers. Okay. I'm sneaking off watching Mad TV in three's company and I'm not, and like my mom's like, I don't like Power Rangers. You can't watch it. Okay. And that was probably the full extent of why I couldn't.

Okay. I just went, why not? Let's just use the guy just to pop people. The guy who was the voice of the disembodied whatever in Power Rangers that would like tell them their assignments and stuff. I can't even remember his name. It's like Zar or something. Voice actor. Okay. I'm trying to look it up. He wasn't Zar his, his face was on, it's not literally Zar.

Yeah. I'm looking up Power Rangers. His face was on the show, but he was just like a, a head in, kind of a, a machine. He was a, a projection. Uh, he was like the, you know, the Charlie to their angels of, you know, of the Power Rangers, but I have no idea what the guy's name. I can, or his character? Is it Commander or General Shaw maybe.

Okay. Well that's, I wasn't like, I can't even pronounce this man's name, like Power Rangers was a thing that I didn't watch it, it was just, it [01:00:00] came on after what I did. Watch Commander Crayfish. I don't know. I don't, I hope that's not it. Surely that wouldn't be their command. I don't think so. Okay. But the commander on the Commander on Power Rangers.

Yeah. The voice from Power Rangers. Yeah. Okay. If you know it, someone please tell us. Yeah. My, I feel like this is the perfect pick. There's no way that anyone could do better than Tim Curry. Oh, but he's, is he dead? Did he die? I think, hold on. Oh no. Is Tim Curry alive?

He's 76? Yes. Yes. Okay. He's perfect. Tim Curry. I was, I was really afraid he died. Tim Curry. Who? Okay, so he's the, he's the, um, is he the main guy on Clue? Yeah. He's the butler on Clue. He's the butler on Clue or the Yes. Listen. And then his, he's Wadsworth. I remember being terrified because I think it's sleeping, uh, not Sleeping Beauty.

It's, uh, what is, what is the other movie that he played in? It is, uh, oh, [01:01:00] come on. What Beauty and the Beast. Okay. I think it's Two Beauty and the Beast two. Oh, okay. Or there's a Christmas one where he is a Pipe organ. Oh, okay. His, like, as soon as I saw that I went, that's the most perfect voice that could ever be.

So Tim Curry as a terrifying, as a terrifying, uh, mirror Yeah. Is absolutely what I, what I think it should be. He's, he's one of my all-time favorite actors. I mean, he's amazing in literally everything that he's ever been. I've never seen anything that I didn't like him mouth. And he's, he's just magnetic, like as an actor, I just, he's great and actually clue, which we will certainly do at some point.

Oh, perfect. Yeah. Clue being one of my favorite movies has two of my all-time favorite actors. Tim Curry and Michael McKeean. Both of mine, like absolute top tier for me. I love, I gotta look up Michael McKeean. He's the guy that plays, uh, Mr. Green and Clue. Um, he's also the lead singer of Spinal Tap, which is another one of my favorite movies.

But, um, yeah. Anyway, Tim Curry. Great. Yes. Oh yeah, Michael McKee's. Awesome. So, like, I thought, um, okay, so he had a major stroke in 2012. This is what I was looking up. Tim Curry had a stroke in 2012 and they thought he was gonna [01:02:00] die. And so he's been in a wheelchair since, and now he mostly does voice acting, so that's what I, but I, my brain had told me that he died.

Right, right. Because it was like so close. They're like, well, we're about to lose Tim Curry. Everything. Like, it's getting to that point though, where, you know, I'm not getting old by any means, but I'm getting to that point where a lot of my favorite actors when I was younger are just passing the other day.

I just like, I feel like I had a fever dream and I, I, I woke up like I, I was, I didn't have a dream about this person, but I woke up and I went, did the Queen of England? And I, I had to Google it. I had to Google it because I feel like every, just, all of the actors are big people. I, I'm just like, they're, they're starting to die.

Okay. And I, I had to Google if the Queen died. That was a very large deal when the Queen died. Yes. Okay. I get it. I get that. But you know what, everybody's dealing with something. So it might not have been the queen of another nation. Might not have been my number one thing for the time, but I did. I went, no, I went.

She didn't die. I was like, there's no way she died. And I look back and I went, oh my [01:03:00] gosh. I was like, the Queen of England died and I have forgotten about it, which says a lot more about me. I just, that's great. Is awful. That's gonna wrap it up for the recast and our coverage of the movie Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs.

Um, but we're not finished yet. We are making some candy apples. So we're gonna take a break and go. Make and then come back and try and talk about how we made some delicious candy, apples, fantastic poison. Optional. Slide up.

All right, gang, we're back with part B of the show. Part C is the recast Part B kind of, I don't know. Anyway, we're back. Uh, like it or not, here we are and, uh, we've got our, uh, if you're watching on video, you can see we've got in front of us our candy apples. I'm super impressed with the way they came out.

Yeah, we've learned a little bit of something. Um, and we're gonna talk about how we made 'em and what we would do differently probably next time. But here's kind of how it works. Uh, first of all, we chose candy [01:04:00] apple because that is the weapon of choice for the, you know, for the quit in, uh, snow White and some dwarfs.

And, um, these are, um, non poisonous apples. Although, you know, the thing about like, apples have cide in the seed. That Like if you, if you ate enough apple seeds, it would kill you because they have a s a small amount of cine. No, I'd never heard that. Really? So, yeah. Literally apples, how many apple seeds are you having to eat to get cine poison?

I, I think it would be a, an awful lot. I'm gonna have to research 'em. Not any amount that anybody would ever willingly do. Yeah. Uh, you know, you'd have to like, grind them up into a fine powder and have to like, you know, it's that level just, yeah. It's not even, it's not even like if you ate 20 apples in a day.

I mean, it's way more than that. It's like so much. But anyway, trace amounts of cyanide in, uh, apple seeds. Um, but, so here's, I, I did a little research on candy apples and I wasn't sure whether to call them candy apples or candied apples. What do y'all go candy apples? Candy Apples. There's no i e D in mine.

Like, [01:05:00] I could see the I e D because I would think like, yeah, candied apples right candy. Because when you, that's, you call something candied if you put a, basically a candy shell around it. So I'm like, why are these not candied apples? But apparently it's just candy apples anyway. Uh, and in the UK they're often called toffee apples instead.

Um, which I, I think I would think of a, I've one actual top down, which sounds. Yeah. A to an actual toffee apple. Yeah. Yeah, right. I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have called this a toffee apple though. Yeah. But in the, but in the UK they're called toffee apples. Um, but anyway, I mean, but then we formed a new nation and started calling things what they should be called.

So, I'm just kidding. I love, I love my people from the uk. Candy. They, they have two different origins. There's an origin for candy apples in the US and there's an origin for toffee. Apples in the uk. Candy apples in the US apparently traced their origins back to Newark, New Jersey, where a candy maker named William Colb dipped some apples in a red cinnamon candy mix and put them in his window just as a display.

He wasn't trying to make anything to eat, he was trying to [01:06:00] have a cool display. As a graphic guy, you can, you can appreciate that. Um, but people were like, I wanna try those. So he ended up selling them and they became a regular treat. And thus the candy apple was born. Newark, New Jersey toffee. Apples so called in the UK appear as early as 1890s London.

Uh, and I'm gonna read a snippet from the July 14th, 1896 Yorkshire evening Post. Oh man, your boy did a little research. We're on. This is from 1896, a warning of the apparent dangers of candy slash toffee apples. Here we go. Okay. Toffee. Apples are the latest luxury of London youth. They are said to consist of sour apples dipped in toffee and the mixture of bitter and sweet is declared to be toothsome to a high degree.

That's toothsome. Toothsome to a high degree. Charles Pepper had a faring given him. Had a faring given him, yes. Had a faring given him and bought a toffee apple. He was taken ill and died. The, [01:07:00] the doctor cide, the doctor who was called in, said it was acute gastroenteritis set up by the toffee apple. Oh no.

So immediately they were like, this is drugs like, yeah. In the 18, 1890s and in London when I think they're still doing casual heroin at that point, I think they thought this apple did it. Don't do the candy apples. Like, no way. This man just, just this man just. What is it? Snorted a row and then you ate it.

Candy apple. And there's like, gotta be Yes. Has to be the candy apple. Yes. Must be. Because it's so toothsome. It's, oh my gosh. Very toothsome. Also, speaking of you have to eat a hundred and fifty two, a hundred fifty to several thousand apple seeds to get it. Oh. And if you ingest an apple seed, uh, just by itself, it will, like, it'll just pass through.

Yeah. You're good to go. It's just passing on through. Uh, you have to fully chew them or crush them up, and it takes 150 Oh to a thousand, like thousands. So, I mean, honestly, I'm surprised anyone has ever even considered c [01:08:00]poisoning from this. So it's, it's nearly unlikely. I wonder, like, if you could grind them up, which would serve the purpose of, you know, the same thing as if you chewed 'em.

Right. It would release the, whatever the sign, um, how, how. It would take to make like a powder out of them that you could put in somebody's something. Right. You know what I mean? Like a, a powder that you could be, oh, lemme make you a protein shake. And it's really, you know, ground up, uh, you know, apple seeds.

Like, it's gotta be, it's gotta be substantial. If you grind up a thou, let's say a thousand seeds, 150 to thousand. So like, I wonder what that looks like. Yeah. A thousand apple seeds. And this is what, this is what the witch did. All of the things she was actually doing, she was just grinding up thousands of apple's seeds to make cide poisoning.

The, the scream of a whatever. The scream of a hag. Is that what it was? The scream of a, I think the scream of a hag. Is that what made her hair white? That's what made her hair white. And then I think so cuz the, I was like, why is the scream of an old hag? What made her hair white? Uh, our, our producer Whitney is, I think it was Fright Made her hair white.

Something about Fri Cream of [01:09:00] Fright is that Check it, check it for us. There was a lot of casual rhyming in this movie. Yeah. Out of the blue. Yeah, out of the blue. Uh, snow White would just randomly do something. I was like, oh, we're in a rhyme now. Yeah. And then she would just, it was inconsistent. Yeah. She would gradually get out of it again.

Yeah. Yeah. It was weird. And certain characters did, certain characters didn't. I was like, what are, I'm not, I'm not fully, fully feeling this pattern here. I'm not sure if grumpy ever rhymed, but I just feel like he doesn't have time for it. He's like, no. Yeah, I've done the woodworking on all of these animals.

That's right. All, every step. I did all those hours. That's right. And he's like, I don't have time to rhyme. Yeah. I made this fish flute and you, you're trying to get me to rhyme fish flute. It was, he's like several ducks as guitars or little, I don't know, string instruments. Upright bass. Yeah. Upright bass, goose or whatever.

Goose. Um, yeah. That's great. Okay, so here's what we did to make these candy apples. We went with the Martha Stewart recipe, cuz you kind of can't go wrong there. I've always found her recipes to be trustworthy. She's like one of the upper names in that, you know? Yes, of course. I don't know if Gordon Ramsey would've done it any different, but Right.

There are a few that I'm just like, that's gonna be too much. Yeah. Uh, and this is like a bare bones, and [01:10:00]typically that's what I would assume with Martha Stewart. Like if there's extra do to do, she's kind of gonna do it. Yeah. She's gonna use the all natural version of every single thing, and it's like, no, you need to scrape the vanilla out of the bean.

You know? Um, and so I was surprised by the simplicity of the recipe given that it was hers, you know? Right. I assume if I go to like, you know, Joe Schmo candy apples.com, they're gonna gimme the simplest, cheapest recipe. But Martha's was very, very simple as well. Um, all it is. Here are the ingredients you need ready.

You need, uh, sugar, you need, uh, like two, two cups of sugar. Just regular, plain, old, you know, sugar will do. Um, you need a, like three quarters of a cup of water. You need a, uh, thing of, uh, car or light corn syrup. Syrup, half whatever. A fourth of a cup is that half a cup, a cup of corn syrup. Um, and optionally you want some red food coloring if you, we went with Granny Smith apples, which are naturally green, uh, but are supposed to have kind of the best flavor.

Right. So I went, I wanted the, the red look of the candy apples. Right, of course. [01:11:00] So we went with how many, how many do you think this would yield? Because we did three, but there was plenty left in the pots. And our apples are big. Yeah. These are not like normal. These are like, I, I couldn't find like normal sized apples.

They were like a little too small or massive, like New York sized apples. It is supposed to a big apple, it's supposed to yield, uh, six medium apples or 12 lady apples. So, and I think that would've worked with 80 apples. Like smaller, you know, smaller apples. Is that what they're called? Apparently I don't, that's what the recipe says.

I don't know. That might not be appropriate anymore. I don't know. Right. But, um, so all you do is you, you line like a baking sheet or something with parchment paper? Uh, I didn't have a parchment paper on hand, so we used non-stick grill foil. It worked like a charm. It was great. Didn't, like, didn't even try to stick to it.

Yeah. And so what, what Martha says is that you either butter the parchment or I assume that like, uh, cooking oil would work just fine. You know, Pam kind of spray. Um, and then in a sauce pan, you combine the sugar, the water, the corn syrup, and the food coloring, all, all that, bring it to a boil over high heat, and then you reduce the heat to medium high.

Although we, on my stove, had to keep it pretty high. Yeah. [01:12:00] Because the, the temperature wasn't rising up high enough so you, you, uh, boil it until the temperature reaches a, uh, between 300 and 310 degrees, which is known as hard crack stage. Um, so that comes after it starts with marijuana. Right. And then you move on and eventually you reach hard crack stage.

I wonder like, okay, hard crack probably meaning the shell. Yeah. But. Don't you? I know nothing about drugs. I'm not even gonna say anything about that. Uh, but, you know, like a hard crack stage. I just feel like there's a different name for it. Yeah. But whatever hard crack stage is where you have to reach. If, if you're cooking something up there, sh maybe should be a different phrase than hard crack stage probably.

So I don't even know why that would, I guess that means at that temperature, The, you know, is the next one, like soft meth, right. Hard crack. And then you get soft meth, which is just a little bit too hard for the teeth. Yeah, right. Um, and it just rots 'em immediately. But soft meth stage, you don't want that because you don't teeth.

It's the poison has set in too deeply at that point. It just makes me like those billboards. That you see, [01:13:00] it's like meth. This is what happens next. This is what happened. It just has apples and people, candy, apple don't reach the soft meth stage. Right. All this time they were just talking about candy, apples and being dangerous.

Uh, the tooth, they're so tooth, you know, they're so toothsome. This is what happened to that man. Okay. So while that, while that stuff is, uh, cooking, you just pop a, a stick of some kind into the apple. We literally, I I thought it might have like dowel rods or something like that, but we didn't. So we used chopsticks.

Literally chopsticks. It works. It, it looks fantastic. Yeah. And, um, and so when the mixture reaches 300 to 310 degrees, you pull it off the heat so that it can start to cool. Down here is where we learn something. Yes. Because if you're watching on Spotify or YouTube, um, we, you can see the three apples in front of us.

Mine and Zeke, we did ours immediately because the recipe says working quickly, dip apples and shit. Yeah. You don't want it to harden. So we, we jumped at it, so we're like, this has gotta happen. But basically it was still boiling while we were, you know, to a degree while we were, um, dipping our apples. And so we ended up getting.

Instead of a fully smooth coat, we have some [01:14:00] bubbles, you know? Yeah. Which looks poisonous. It does for the, for the grand scheme. Like for the look of it. Yeah. You could go with this. Yes. Our apples look more evil. Whitney's had had time, it had had time to cool off just a little bit. And so she has some tiny, tiny bubbles in hers, but a very, very, uh, overall smooth looking.

She perfection. Beautiful looking Apple. I could have maybe gone with a little more, I wonder if I'd gone with a little bit more food coloring. Ours kind of have a pleasant pink look at this point. Right. But the ones I'm used to seeing are. Bright red, like solo cup colored, you know, I feel like, I feel like, so Martha Stewart didn't put any food coloring, right?

No, she didn't. I feel like I, I, I like that style. Look, we wanted to go iconic. You gotta go iconic with the reddest. You can get red, but I feel like I might want to go with like the clear gel coat, you know? Yeah. Accentuate the apple. Yeah. I feel like the ones we've seen that are more red than that. Mm-hmm.

Have they have to have something else in them? Maybe. Or maybe it's just a concentration of whatever. And I think maybe it's also that they, they might be overread apples as opposed to green apples. Right. There's more, more color you have [01:15:00] to overcome if you're, I feel like with the amount of sugar though, when you're going with caramel apples, toffy apples, candy apples, whatever you wanna call them.

Yeah. I think that Granny Smith is necessity. Yeah. You want the taste, you want the tartness you do, uh, in combined with, so you get tart, sweet and crunch all in the first bite. Mm-hmm. Um, you have never had a candy apple. This is my first time is a, this is a taste test right here. I will try, I'll try to tell you if I prefer it to caramel apples.

Cause I'm a huge caramel Apple fan. It is one of my favorite go-to items at Disney, at Halloween, whatever time. Yeah. So once you, uh, dip the apples, you kind of coat 'em as much as you can. Swirl 'em around and then, you know, as close to the top as you can swirl it. Great. Then you set 'em to the side on your greased baking sheet or your, you know, parchment paper or whatever and, uh, and let 'em cool.

And then that's it. It's that easy. It was very simple. It was very simple. So simple. Um, and then your leftover mess is what I gotta figure out how I'm gonna clean the pan, I guess. I don't know. I don't know if I just have to reboil it. And then I wonder if while it's hot, you just try to take a spatula and.

Every like a, I think [01:16:00] resistance spatula cuz we lost. Yes. What did we lose? We, I lost a teaspoon, uh, a plastic teaspoon measure. Yeah. So be careful. It's gotta be heat resistant, but I wonder if you could get a heat resistant spatula. Try to get all of that outta there. Yeah. Real quick. I don't know. Into something that you can throw away.

Right. And so Yeah, because, because I do not envy what you're about to have to clean up. Yeah. And I don't think you want it in your drain either. No, no, no. That is, that is gonna mess some stuff up if you put it in your drain. Yeah. So you don't want that. But, so now we have these lovely candy apples and we're about to try 'em.

Uh, let's see, Whitney, we'll go ahead and we'll Zeke is gonna, uh, bring yours to you or let your to it. Yeah, we can reach it. There we go. Look at that. Thank God for the chop stick. Yeah, let's go. All right. I guess we'll do a crunch. We'll do go into the thing, but I'm very excited. My hope is, With a good candy apple, you really want it.

You really want to be a little bit afraid that you're gonna break a tooth. That's what I'm Oh yeah. No, do it, do it. Come onr, listen. Oh, that is nice. That is Whitney's nails on the apple. Mm-hmm. Oh, man. Um, okay, so shall we just go, go for it. And [01:17:00] trigger warning. Can we just go right into it? If you're sensitive to sound, you're about to get, you're about to get the crunch, but that's you crunch.

Dig into the side. Here we go. See that's what you gotta push through it. You can. We don't have di shirt. That's awesome. Right? Amazing. She's expectations. I'm going for it. I'm going for it. Whitney, go ahead dude. In the mic. Do it in the mic. I don't think I can You got this? No, you can. Come on. She said, my parents paid a lot of money for my teeth.

They're not gonna break. They're not gonna, you can bite into mine if you'd like. Y'all go ahead. Yeah. Once the first bite is in, the rest of it's easy. Okay. First smells delicious. First initial response. I didn't really think about the fact that this is just a different form of sugar. Like caramel. Yeah.

And I go, oh, okay. It has very similar tastes, but a crunch that is, makes this maybe more appetizing. Come on, whip. You can do it. You got it. No, there's no whip here. Let me bite it first. I'll work. [01:18:00] Have you taken your, but once you get, no, I haven't done mine yet. But once you get the first one, the first one's anything.

Okay. My tooth is gonna break, but then it's just chipping at the sides of that one. You're not usually taking fresh bites. You know what I mean? I am such a fan of candy apples. That's awesome. I'm so excited. Your My life changed last week. Your life changed this week. What did we do? Last week? We did nacho libre and, and chips.

Homemade chips. We changed our life chips. We have made those chips two times this week already Once. Okay. Once. But it was vital. Yeah, it was amazing. All right. I'm gonna go for mine. Open my mouth. Big up. My problem is apples too big. I had to go to the top. Like a weird angle. Yeah. Here we go. Oh, Rob. That was delightful to hear, man.

That's good. Come. Okay. Go at an angle. Yeah, there's that angle. That's it. You got it. You got it. You're not on film. No one's gonna, no one's gonna see it. That's true. Only we get, oh, nope. I dunno. Bite outta this. Wanna bite outta this one? Just if this wasn't a glass plate. Okay. This is me again. These are amazing.

So fulfilling, man. Wow. That's incredible. Here, [01:19:00] bite out the corner of mine. I want to eat mine. I want mine to be the one. No, come on. You just, you just have to believe in yourself honestly. It's like you just have to have faith that it's not gonna break your teeth. I don't have that faith. Oh, come on Whitney, you got this.

Here's a, here's a, you wanna hear it?

It can't be that hard. Okay, so here's the thing. We did ours when it was still boiling. Maybe it made ours a, maybe it made ours just a little bit thinner. Maybe ours was more palpable. I don't think so. I think Whitney's just scared. Come on, come on. You got this? Yep. Yep. There it goes.

It's just a sugar. You got no apples. Okay. But now it's cracked. Now it's cracked. Yeah. You just eat a little, hit it a little and then bite into that. It is a little caramelly. You just did like a, yeah, it has the same flavor. It's like a less creamy caramel apple. Yeah. It is technically a caramel, right? It is te like the, the candy itself [01:20:00] is technically caramel.

Caramel. A caramel, yeah. Hmm. Prefer caramel, I think, but I do too. There's, I do too, but because I like the soft. But if there was a way, if there was a way to not shatter every tooth I've ever had and do an apple with the caramel on the inside and then a small candy coating on the outside. Oh wow, man. You might as just change the game there.

Maybe we should try that, that, because I'm impressed. I don't know. Because the caramel would melt. It'd have to really? Wow, that's amazing. I, you know, I wonder what people, I know some people are bothered by chewing sounds and stuff like that. Sorry. I guess they just not listen. I'll try and warn people when there's gonna be like mouth sounds or whatever, but that's just, it's impossible.

Wear mouth sounds. He wear the mouth sounds from cinema Snack bar. Oh man. Okay. Another one here goes another bike. I. Infatuated. The sound is incredible. My word that's, oh man. Punchy stuff. You got, it was so good. It gave you a different accent, natural [01:21:00] crunchy stuff. It moved you to southern Louisiana. You got a little candy breakage on your Yeah, there you go.

And you would think, I'm actually surprised that there's not more candy breakage. You would think that it would kind of just shadow, it's just together, but it, it really does stay. And we didn't do anything special. So this is, oh, you're getting some good candy and the, like, the, it breaks on the apple, but it's not falling apart.

Right. Yeah. So it looks, it looks awesome while you eat it. Yeah. Yeah. It kind of looks like when, uh, when ice, you know, a big chunk of ice, it just kind of splinters, but it doesn't break. It's amazing. I'm gonna save mine so I can I, after that apple, These are, this is why I love these. They're just, you know, that's fantastic.

The texture alone, like if it had no flavor. Yeah, yeah. Texture alone. It was not sugar, it was just, I don't know, glass on the outside of this. Yeah, it is fantastic. The texture alone of that is, and I assume if you wanted to do some odd flavoring or additional flavoring Oh sure. In the candy, you could do it.

You know, if you could go, because I think I read the thing about the guy's original thing being cinnamon candy, and I went, oh, that could be all like a cinnamon. Oh man. Keep it red like [01:22:00] this. Yeah. Do cinnamon. Oh man. Yeah. That, that could be, we're gonna have to try that. Incredible. So like, yeah. Variations may come, you know, next you could do like, I dunno, vanilla.

Would that be good? I know there's some natural vanilla flavoring in the, in the corn syrup. Um, or probably not natural. What about that? Cherry would be good. Cherry. Okay. You can't do something that's like, you have to do something that pairs well with apple. Obviously. Something that pairs well with, with, uh, with sour.

So cherry would be good. I feel like one of my favorite flavors, yours too, I think. Whitney is the almond flavor. I don't think that's for this. No almond icing game changer. Yeah. So if you ever get the chance to try that game changer, you could do like, do they have cranberry, can you cranberry flavor like cranberry.

Apple would be awesome. Grape I feel like would be good. If you've ever like Absolutely. Anything strong, anything strong like that, that's not too sweet because you can't like, do like cake flavor, you know, like cake batter. Actually, I don't know. Cake batter is one of my favorite things. I feel like. Yeah.

It's gotta be something that's pungent. Yeah. With the, with the apple flavor. Yeah. Anyway, that be awesome. So another big success here on [01:23:00] Cinema Snack bar, um, with the, with the candy apples. We hope you guys will try it at home. And, uh, maybe on the website we can post the actual recipe or at least a link to Martha Stewart's recipe.

Um, and, uh, if you go on Instagram, make sure and follow us at Cinema Snack Bar. You can see kind of our video version of, you know, we'll have it on reels, how we made everything and kind of our process. Uh, and you can see our, my sad little, um, Teaspoon, uh, teaspoon measure after it got melted. Nearly decapitated, not even melted.

I didn't like leave it in the pan. It was just melted from the, from the sheer heat of the, of the candy. Of the mixture. Yeah. The candy itself. I was just these dipping candy around. Yeah, just we've got some candy pieces left over. Just some candy drippings. No, it's not on, it's not inedible. Okay. Yeah, it's just, it's just sugar.

Yeah. Not much taste to it at all. Okay, that's gonna do it for another episode of Cinema Snack Bar. Uh, we hope you guys are enjoying the show. Thank you so much for your support. Next week we have our first Ever listener suggested show. We can't wait to bring it to you, uh, and see what you guys have come [01:24:00] up with.

We're gonna confer on it right now after we finish recording. And next week we'll bring you the first listener suggested show, and, uh, we'll see what kind of foods we get into next week on Cinema Snack Bar. We'll see you next week on Cinema Snack Bar. Until then, I'm Rob. I'm Zeke the end.

All right. I don't even know if this is appropriate for the show. Okay. Okay. But I saw it and it kind of blew my mind. Okay. Um, and so I wanted to talk about it in your research of Snow White in the Seven Dwarfs, did you see anything about the um, the all black version of Snow White and Seven Dwarves? That is like, depending on who you ask, one of the most racist.

Films of all time. Was it not produced by people of color or was not produced by any of our It was, it was [01:25:00]Black Friends produced by Leon Sles. Schlesinger. Schlesinger Schlesinger doesn't sound like, uh, a, a person of color. Leon Sch Schlesinger. Okay. Who is the guy that made all the Looney Tunes? He was the head of Warner Brothers animation who made, uh, you know, Mary Melodies and all the, all the Bugs Bunny stuff.

Right. And so they famously have a, a, a collection of what they call the, um, the censored 11, which were 11 films or, uh, short films that they made in their, you know, in their time, um, that have since been found to be. Super inappropriate because they played on certain stereotypes, right. They, you know, they're just far gone by now, blackface and, you know, stuff like that, which was still happening at the time in movies and that kind of stuff.

But just, you know, people just went, this is not, you know. Right. So tell me, it's not called Snow black? No, it's not. Oh, is it worse than that? Yes, it is called Cold [01:26:00] Black and hold on. Coal black and De Sebben seven Dwarfs Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarfs. Oh, no. Okay. Um, and I, I hope, I, I hope I'm not being offensive by even just saying some of these things, but that was the, that was the name of it.

Um, and so it is, um, the stylistic portrayal of the characters is an example of, and I'm just saying this, Wikipedia says this, please know, I, this is an offensive word to me too, is an example of darky iconography, which is that depiction of, of African-Americans, you know, and people with dark skin. Um, Where it was like caricatured and certain assumptions were made about, you know, their lifestyles and their social status and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Right. Um, so I, without getting into a lot of it, I did wanna read you one paragraph. This is one paragraph from the Wikipedia article article that offends us all. I assume it's gonna offend us all. It's funny because it has defenders, the movie itself has [01:27:00] defenders who are like, I guess basically the argument is, it's not that bad, but it, it's basically, it's like everyone's Peppa.

Yeah. They're like, they're like, no, I look. Yeah, it's not that bad. The war wasn't that bad. Yeah, it was. Um, and I, so it's on YouTube. You can look it up. I watched a few minutes of it. Um, and. It's like, I can see how people could try and make an argument that it wasn't bad because it did have a mostly black cast.

It was produced in conjunction with a, so the voice actors were black voice actors. Most of the voice actors were black actors. Okay. Except for Mel Blanc, who was the voice of Right. Uh, uh, bugs Bunny. And so he did several, several others because he was one of the, there was basically like a rule at Warner Brothers animation at the time that like, he had to do like all the voices.

It was cra They were like, we have one voice guy. Okay. And it's melanin. Um, so he did some of them, but a, but a, a lot of them were done black by black actors. And it was done, the origin of the movie itself was done when Leon Schlesinger, whose name I cannot say, I don't even know [01:28:00] how it's supposed to be said.

But anyway, he went to like a jazz club and there was an all black, uh, review there and they started having a conversation about how come there's no animated movies with black characters. That's how it actually started. Okay. So like, in theory, It's a good idea. Yes. In theory it was like, he was like, I wanna make a representation for black voice actors, for, uh, black people in cartoons.

Yes. But now when you look at it, you go, Nope. You just go. Wow. And so it's a thing where like, not having been alive in 1943 when this was made, I guess that's just the way things were. And so at the time, e even if, I don't know if it was a thing where like, it's better to have something offensive or that maybe that, you know, white people are not seeing as offensive, but maybe we are offended by it.

Okay. But at least we have something out there and it's making us some money. Right. I have, I have no idea. Okay. I'm com complete ignorant on this. Okay. Right. Um, but so lemme just [01:29:00] read you this, this, uh, this is from one of the sections of, of Wikipedia on the, on the thing. Um, Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarfs is one of the censored 1111 Warner Brothers cartoons produced at the height of gold, of the golden Age of Hollywood animation based on its unflattering and stereotypical use of this iconography.

I'm not gonna say the word again. Um, because it was produced in America during World War ii, there is also anti-Japanese sentiment. Mm-hmm. Um, the firm Murder Inc. In the, in the film, uh, advertises that it does not charge to kill. And it uses a, a slur for Japanese people. Um, the same basic stereotypical elements present in the earlier sensored.

11 films are also present in Coal Black now, in the movie, her name is, her name is not Cole Black. Her name is so white. So white. Her name is so white. Yes. Um, but they were afraid that that was too close to the original, so they changed it to Cole Black for the, just the title alone. Okay. Not the [01:30:00] character's name.

Um, Okay, with more detail, let's say. Okay. The same, uh, the same stereotypical elements present in the earlier censored. 11 films are also present in cold black, depicted with more detail and made to conform to clamp. It's wacky directorial style in racism in American popular media. This is a book, um, bacon and Smith's assert quote.

The racism in cold black into seven dwarfs is unparalleled in cartoon history. This short throws virtually every black stereotype into the mix, beginning with the mammy character, who while in shadow is clearly a large black woman with a distinct quote, Negroid voice. The child is a big cheek. I don't even know if I could say these words.

I'm not sure. You can't either. It just sounds bad. It's like I is this fine to read off Wikipedia? I have no idea. I, I, uh, with a bow in her hair. The Prince is a similarly caricatured black man. He has straightened hair, whereas a white zoot suit and a monocle and has gold teeth, his two front teeth are [01:31:00] dominoes.

Oh my gosh.

So White is portrayed as a hypersexual, big bottomed, younger black woman with perky, bosoms, and revealing clothing. She is less representative of blackface characters and instead represents the black Jezebel or whore. Voluptuous. Lascivious and sexually available. Well see. Earlier I talked about how Adolf Hitler's one of his top three, one of his top three favorite films was Snow White.

I feel like he just never saw Coal Black. Yeah. By 1943 he had other things that he was worrying about. Yeah. Yeah. I still feel like he would've dropped some of those to watch this though. So I'm just like, this seems like right up his Alley. Oh man. I googled one of the words. We can't say it. Oh, okay. Okay.

So we apologize. I'm gonna need to know. I'll bla I'll blank it out. I'll blank it out. Well, that's a terrible movie and we will not be reviewing that one. We will not just go ahead and save it. Okay. Uh, we'll you can review that one and send it to us if you like. Uh, we probably will not pay [01:32:00] attention to that one either.

I just could not believe I went. That's awful. I beg your part. Yeah, like I just, one of those things. I can't believe what the, does it say what the other 10 of the. It's probably not even worth, oh, it's not even worth mentioning some of the Mario. Okay. Oh, really? So do that. Research yourself. Uh, there are 11 films or don't, don't just don't as a, as a stand, just take a stand and don't research the 11 films We're not allowed to watch by Warner Brothers alone, right?

Yes. It's all Warner Brothers. Yeah. Shame on you, Warner Brothers there. Go shame.